Did Mary have a bunch of kids? Mary's perpetual virginity before, during and after Jesus' birth Evangelical folks think we Catholics are "nuts" to believe Mary stayed a virgin after Jesus was born. Perhaps some modern Evangelists don't know that most of the early reformers including Martin Luther, Wesley, and Calvin, believed in Mary's perpetual virginity.

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These reformers are considered scriptural scholars(1) by modern Evangelicals. Yet despite being the founders of the reform, their views on this issue are in complete contrast to modern Evangelical thought. These reformers had no problem with scriptural references to Jesus' "brothers" while maintaining their conviction that Mary remained a virgin after Jesus' birth. Max Thurian (not a Catholic) says "In regard to the Marian doctrine of the Reformers, we have already seen how unanimous they are in all that concerns Mary's holiness and perpetual virginity . The Early Christians of the first centuries also had this take on Mary's virginity. The idea that Mary had other children first surfaced from a guy named Helvidius around 3.

A. D. and it caused quite a stir because no one held that belief at the time. Jerome, responded with a treatise called On the Perpetual Virginity of the Blessed Mary.

Jerome had access to much documentation from the early Church and he cited earlier well known Christian writers such as Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, and Justin Martyr. Helvidius was unable to come up with a reply.

His theory died and lay dormant for over 1. Evangelicals. In Scripture, we see many references to Jesus as Son of Mary but never do we see a reference to anyone else as Mary's literal son or daughter. The gospel account of 1.

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Jesus lost in the temple does not mention siblings (Lk 2: 4. Jesus appear to have any blood brothers at the end of his life. Otherwise, He would have entrusted his mother to the care of his brother instead of the disciple John. Jn 1. 9: 2. 6- 2. In Mark 3: 2. 0, "they went to take charge of him, for they said, 'He is out of his mind.'" In Jewish tradition the younger brothers would never give advice to an elder brother. It would make more sense for older cousins to give Jesus advice than younger brothers. When Jesus stays in the Temple at 1.

Jesus' brothers or other children of Mary.(Lk 2: 4. Jews used no birth control so if Mary was having sex it is likely Jesus would have had brothers by then. Jewish parents did not have to wait until they had a second son before they called a child "first born" because in Jewish law the first baby was always called "firstborn" regardless of whether or not there were any brothers. At the foot of the cross, Jesus hands Mary to the disciple John, if Jesus had brothers, He would have handed Mary to his brothers, not a disciple.(Jn 1. Throughout the Bible, the term "brethren" (Adelphos) is freely used.

For example, in 2 Kings 1. King Ochozias. In Genesis 1. Lot is called Abraham's "brother" but Genesis 1. Haran is the father of Lot and Haran is a brother with Abraham's brother. That makes Abraham the uncle of Lot, and shows us another example of non- siblings being called brothers. The well- known Protestant linguistic reference An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, by W. E. Vine, defines Adelphos as follows: Adelphos: denotes a brother, or near kinsman; in the plural, a community based on identity of origin or life.

It is used of: 1) male children of the same parents . Acts 7: 2. 3,2. 6; Hebrews 7: 5; 3) people of the same nationality, Acts 3: 1. Romans 9: 3 . . .

Luke 1. 0: 2. 9; Matthew 5: 2. Matthew 5: 4. 7; 6) persons united by a common calling, Revelation 2. Matthew 2. 5: 4. 0; Hebrews 2: 1. Matthew 2. 8: 1. 0; John 2. Matthew 2. 3: 8; Acts 1: 1.

Romans 1: 1. 3; 1 Thessalonians 1: 4; Revelation 1. Timothy 5: 2). {Vine, W. E., An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, Old Tappan, NJ: Fleming H. Revell, 1. 94. 0 (four- volumes- in- one ed.), vol. When I was playing music in a Fundamentalist Church, every man was referred to as "brother." They called me "Brother Hugh."  Nowadays, Bible Christians refer to everyone in the Church as "brother" and "sister"- which was totally cool with me. Even Catholic monastic orders call everyone "brother" (i.

Brother John)A couple of years ago a huge archeological discovery gave the world the "James Ossuary" which said ".. James brother of Jesus." It was in Newsweek magazine and the Evangelical press covered the find extensively as proof that Catholics were wrong about Mary's perpetual virginity.

The person who discovered the ossuary, Oded Golan, was arrested July 2. Associated Press. The Israeli Antiquities Authority (IAA) found him to be part an extensive forgery ring that has sold millions of dollars of artifacts to museums. Since then news of the ossuary has quietly disappeared from Evangelical apologetics. Catholics think it is likely that they were cousins of Jesus. There was no other Greek word for cousin.

Catholics think they probably lived in the same household as the Holy Family and Mary's sister, their mother. It was a common practice of the day and still is in middle eastern cultures to live with relatives. Jesus said "a prophet is not without honour in his own town, his own kin and his own house." (Mk 6: 4)  It is likely that the brethren were not too thrilled with the idea of their cousin being considered the Saviour. However, they did eventually see the light and were converted. They were at the Pentecost and got hit by the Holy Spirit. We bet it was a great "Holy Ghost" party! I would have loved to be there for that Spiritual jolt of tongues of fire.

Acts 1: 1. 4)They could also be the children of Joseph from another marriage where he was a widower. Tradition places Joseph considerably older than Mary.

This is found in early Church fathers writings including the Infancy Gospel of James from 3. A. D. Origen mentions the Book of James (and the Gospel of Peter) as stating that the 'brethren of the Lord' were sons of Joseph by a former wife. This is the first mention of it, and shows us that the book is as old as the second century. IX. 1 .. And the priest said unto Joseph: Unto thee hath it fallen to take the virgin of the Lord and keep her for thyself. And Joseph refused, saying: I have sons, and I am an old man, but she is a girl: lest I became a laughing- stock to the children of Israel. And the priest said unto Joseph: Hear the Lord thy God, and remember what things God did unto Dathan and Abiram and Korah, how the earth clave and they were swallowed up because of their gainsaying.

And now fear thou, Joseph, lest it be so in thine house. And Joseph was afraid, and took her to keep her for himself. And Joseph said unto Mary: Lo, I have received thee out of the temple of the Lord: and now do I leave thee in my house, and I go away to build my buildings and I will come again unto thee. The Lord shall watch over thee. Infancy Gospel of James approx.

Doesn't the title "Firstborn" in Luke 2: 7 mean Mary had other children? In the New American Bible notes for Luke 2: 7 we read: Firstborn..

Jesus possessed the rights and privileges of the firstborn son (Gn 2. Ex 1. 3, 2; Nm 3, 1. Dt 2. 1, 1. 5- 1. This word "Firstborn" was a very specific term in Jesus' time.

Firstborns were consecrated to God. Firstborns inherited property, etc. Also in the book of Moses, there is reference to Egyptian firstborns who died during the Passover. Watch Terry 4Shared. In Biblical times, children who were the only offspring still received the important title of firstborn so that they had the rights, privileges and obligations associated with it.

I (Hugh) was born a Canadian. That title of "Canadian" on my birth certificate gives me specific rights and privileges associated with it. Did Mary know she would be a perpetual virgin? When the Archangel Gabriel told Mary she would conceive a son, she asked "How can this be since I am a Virgin." (Lk 1: 3. It's an odd question given that she was about to get married.

Why wouldn't she think she would have the baby in the usual way with Joseph, right after they got married?